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I would never register my guns, I don't care what law they pass. I will hide them or whatever I must do. Where I disagree with your thinking is that I don't blame the gun for the crime. Making it harder for law abiding citizens to own guns will not help one bit. And I really can't see how blaming only certain types of guns will be helpful. It's just feel good legislation for most and a means to an end for those on the left. After the goverment bans assault rifles, and nothing changes, they will move on to another type of gun. If I murdered someone with a bat, then stole their car, then proceeded to drive through a crowd of people, killing 15 or 20 of them, would you then be in favor of backgrounds checks on people before they buy a car or a bat?? The car or bat would not be at fault, and neither is the gun. It is just one more way for the goverment to attempt to control us and remove our freedoms!!

Armed guards in schools are not suggesting that we are prepared to live with mass murder. It is suggesting we are prepare to stop it, at least in our schools. The only type of gun control that would be effective to stop all of these shootings would be a total confiscation of all firearms. That would be very bloody for the goverment to do and would take decades. Even then criminals would find a way to get guns, just like crimnals still obtain drugs in America. In fact gun running would then become a major business. Not to mention that repealing the 2nd admendment is not gonna happen any time soon. So the only effective way I see to protect our kids effectively, and in a way that could be done somewhat quickly is security at schools. We could do it in less than 6 months. Remember that Columbine happened right in the middle of the assault weapons ban, and no assault weapon was used in that incident.

I think everyone is looking for answers and thats good. I think it's better to go after a way to try and stop these shootings, than go after more gun control which has been proven not to work.

I understand what you are saying THunter but if controls are coming then accountability is the answer folks are looking for. This is a strong topic that will generate a lot of comments for and against regulation. If it is required that tactical weapons be locked up when you are not home then fine. If your tactical gun is used in a mass murder you should be held accountable for it. That is what the Govt. wants. What is decided is yet to be scene.

Let me propose this. What if to purchase a tactical firearm you have to sign and one other person (co-signer) outside of your household for you to purchase the firearm. If the firearm is used by a "mentally deficiant" or simply used by anyone for a killing you and or the co-signer can be held accountable for the shooting. Again it all falls back on accountability. Would'nt this be better than not being able to purchase this type of fire arm at all?

BTW I know that guns are not the only thing used in mass killings however the easiest target to target for control is guns. Instead of taking away my right to bear arms I'd agree to a comprimise.

dsawdy wrote:

BTW I know that guns are not the only thing used in mass killings however the easiest target to target for control is guns. Instead of taking away my right to bear arms I'd agree to a comprimise.

You said it all right there in one sentence. Gun control is not about peoples safety, it is about control, PERIOD!!! Would you concede that gun control has been proven not to work? If gun control does not work, by protecting people from gun violence, then why try more gun control? Gun control has never statisically worked, in fact since the assault weapons ban expired, gun crime has dropped. Those on the left have been after very strict gun control laws for decades, not because it reduces violence or safegaurds the American people, but because it is a measure of control. If you are willing to compromise part of your 2nd admendment rights, it will only be a matter of time until you concede all of them. The left in this country will not stop with assault weapons!!

thunter, exactly right! My Constitutional rights are not negotiable. This is about people control and the writers of our Constitution got it right. There were numerous shootings during the 1994-2004 Cintonista ban. here is the first ban list, it will get larger:
http://redflagnews.com/opinion/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out-by-alan-korwin

Spot on acticle Timmi. Many in this country have been led to believe that the 2nd admendment applies to hunting. It does not and never has. It was put into the constitution, as the 2nd most important protection of our freedom for good reason. Thomas Jefferson even said that a free society is an armed society.

THunter I do agree with you. All I am saying is if new laws are to be enacted i would rather push for a compromise that still allows us law abiding citizens to own, carry, and use firearms.

Here is a great piece of testimony that I bet we ALL will agree with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvBliA3q4E

Thunter wrote:

Spot on acticle Timmi. Many in this country have been led to believe that the 2nd admendment applies to hunting. It does not and never has. It was put into the constitution, as the 2nd most important protection of our freedom for good reason. Thomas Jefferson even said that a free society is an armed society.

With all due respect guys, my question of registration acceptance does not include any form of gun control. You're going to get worst than you want if you don't support a rational alternative(compromise) to curbing(not eliminating) assault weapon crime. Sure, we can make our schools convert to a prison guard atmosphere for responding to an insane assault but it does nothing to address the causes. I've probaably said too much but I can't get the tragedy out of my mind.

Exactly the point I was trying to make Finzup.

Finzup wrote:

Thunter wrote:

Spot on acticle Timmi. Many in this country have been led to believe that the 2nd admendment applies to hunting. It does not and never has. It was put into the constitution, as the 2nd most important protection of our freedom for good reason. Thomas Jefferson even said that a free society is an armed society.

With all due respect guys, my question of registration acceptance does not include any form of gun control. You're going to get worst than you want if you don't support a rational alternative(compromise) to curbing(not eliminating) assault weapon crime. Sure, we can make our schools convert to a prison guard atmosphere for responding to an insane assault but it does nothing to address the causes. I've probaably said too much but I can't get the tragedy out of my mind.

Registration is a form of gun control in itself. In other countries registration was the first step to confiscation. All I'm saying is that gun control has never worked to curb gun crime. I guess it might be possible to curb assault weapon crime. However what do we do in 10 years when handgun and shotgun crime is up, because assault rifles are not around. Do we then say they should also be banned? I maintain that gun control is not about curbing crime, it's about control. I don't even own an assault rifle and I never have. I have 2 kids in school and one in college, and I would much prefer the metal detectors and armed guards over gun control that will not work. The last time we had an assault weapons ban, we still had school shootings. At my kids school the doors are locked and you must be buzzed in, however there is nothing that would stop an armed shooter. A shooter could easily shoot through the glass and there would be nothing to stop him.

I do firmly believe that banning them will do nothing. Someone sick in the mind will just do something different.
I think that if there was better infrastructure in the mental health part of our nation then that will help stop those that are sick in their minds.
Also some more strict rules to having guns wouldn't hurt. That mom should of never introduced her psycho son to guns PERIOD.

If my child had mental issues we would be treating that and he/she sure as hell wouldn't have access to my gun safe.

Remember an assault rifle, hand gun, car, and a toaster are all worthless hunks of metal without human interaction.

"Prison guard atmosphere" or "worst than you want"??

I do agree with you on one thing Finzup, major new gun control legislation is coming soon. However I do not believe that we are gonna get a chance to compromise on anything. If I had to guess something like the last assault weapons ban will be coming, perhaps even more strict. However I believe that these shootings will continue by these low lifes, they will just use different guns.

TBONE21 wrote:

I do firmly believe that banning them will do nothing. Someone sick in the mind will just do something different.
I think that if there was better infrastructure in the mental health part of our nation then that will help stop those that are sick in their minds.
Also some more strict rules to having guns wouldn't hurt. That mom should of never introduced her psycho son to guns PERIOD.

If my child had mental issues we would be treating that and he/she sure as hell wouldn't have access to my gun safe.

Remember an assault rifle, hand gun, car, and a toaster are all worthless hunks of metal without human interaction.

No...banning any type of gun or any type of weapon will not solve ANYTHING !!...however...that is what our elected officials are dead-set on doing. I have heard MULTIPLE people say we need address the "mental" health issues ; and , that will "fix" all of these shooting sprees that have been going on. We as a people need to be VERY, VERY , careful before jumping on the wagon, and agreeing with that !!...How many children , and adults (as far as that goes) are "labeled" as being ADD...or...ADHD ???!!!?? Those are "mental" illnesses...and...we have to be EXTREMELY carefull as to how we label people !! My son has been diagnosed as being ADHD...there isn't a "crazy" bone in his body...does that mean he should never be able to own a gun?!? I'm not givin you "down the road" at all , T-Bone...all I am sayin...is...we really need to think through the "solutions" before we make a final "call" .

I just typed a whole bunch of shit and figured out that I was stupid for waisting the last 10 minutes thinking about this.

Here is the short version.

Gun laws will not help what happened. Registration will give the government everything they need to disarm the law abiding citizen. If you want that, they have that in China, this is the USA, we are free here. They knew the guns belonged to this idiots Mom, so they were registered in here name and it didn't help one thing.

With registration, they can track EVERY GUN YOU BUY, and decide you MAY be up to something, disarm or kill you, and make up a reason that makes you the bad guy. Meanwhile, gangsters are buying, selling, trading, and using guns with no serial numbers on them.

In most of the shootings, the type of gun used was not a AR or AK etc. This idot the other day could have pulled off what he did with a single shot .410. He only had 6 adults to deal with and not at the same time. The kids didn't stand a chance other than run, and I'm sure they were to scared to do that.

Now, if we the people have to take a stand against a evil government, the type of gun will matter. The second amendment means we have the right to own the latest, greatest, most destructive guns in order to keep our government in check. That's why we are still a free country.

Two small mistakes can make us a dictatorship. Get gun registration, and then elect a "hitler" type president. It's easy to jump and make a boo boo when you are emotional over something like this.

This is a cruel world, and people are getting dumber by the minute. However, when you turn on the news, you don't hear the good, you only hear todays bad news.

Hump wrote:

I just typed a whole bunch of shit and figured out that I was stupid for waisting the last 10 minutes thinking about this.

Here is the short version.

Gun laws will not help what happened. Registration will give the government everything they need to disarm the law abiding citizen. If you want that, they have that in China, this is the USA, we are free here. They knew the guns belonged to this idiots Mom, so they were registered in here name and it didn't help one thing.

With registration, they can track EVERY GUN YOU BUY, and decide you MAY be up to something, disarm or kill you, and make up a reason that makes you the bad guy. Meanwhile, gangsters are buying, selling, trading, and using guns with no serial numbers on them.

In most of the shootings, the type of gun used was not a AR or AK etc. This idot the other day could have pulled off what he did with a single shot .410. He only had 6 adults to deal with and not at the same time. The kids didn't stand a chance other than run, and I'm sure they were to scared to do that.

Now, if we the people have to take a stand against a evil government, the type of gun will matter. The second amendment means we have the right to own the latest, greatest, most destructive guns in order to keep our government in check. That's why we are still a free country.

Two small mistakes can make us a dictatorship. Get gun registration, and then elect a "hitler" type president. It's easy to jump and make a boo boo when you are emotional over something like this.

This is a cruel world, and people are getting dumber by the minute. However, when you turn on the news, you don't hear the good, you only hear todays bad news.

Preach it brother Hump

A few sites that everyone should see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwy3g3fnjTQ

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

A few points:

Scottwv is absolutely right that mental illness is a VERY delicate and slippery slope. Although I think there needs to be reform in this arena, it has to be done slowly and extremely carefully. This will never be the solution, but it needs to be part of the process.

Gun control has never worked, and never will. There are tons of stats out there to prove this. Registration is a form of gun control and is the first step to possible confiscation.

Civilians protecting what is theirs definitely needs to be a bigger part of the solution. Several schools in Texas have passed laws allowing teachers w/ conceal carry permits AND additional training to carry concealed in school. I think this is the best way of protecting students. Out of sight and out of mind, but there when you need it. No new employees or expenses (teachers can pay for their own training if necessary, or maybe this minimal expense can be covered by the school) and no one is being forced to do anything, it is the teacher's option. I believe that most schools have several teachers that would be willing, and excited, to have this right again.

I don't think everyone should have a gun, and I don't think everyone needs a gun. Everyone who is interested and eligible should be allowed to carry wherever/whenever they want though. If you want to triple the punishment for CCW holders who use a gun in a crime, use their gun while intoxicated, etc. then that is fine. I think people should be help more accountable when they screw up, especially if it hurts/kills someone. I don't think that I should have to leave my gun in the car/home just because I'm going to swing by Applebee's for dinner though (that's an NC thing)!

And now the New York Governor, Andrew Cuomo is talking about gun confiscation in New York state. He said he is gonna propose the legislation. This has a chance to get out of control!! Many will not give up their guns peacefully.

You see, here is the problem I have with giving an inch to the gun control crowd. Most of them want to take guns away completely. They will not be satisfied with banning assault rifles, more permits, or registration. The end game is total confiscation!!

every country that has enacted gun control ends up making them illegal. only the U.S. has a Constitutional right for possessing a firearm. registration-legislation-confiscation
I will never relinquish not one of mine.

Timmi wrote:

I will never relinquish not one of mine.

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Jefferson

groundhog wrote:

The warm half. I'm sure Bubba would go for the gay half.

I'm not a member of the NRA but I agree with their thinking....we need to protect our children at any cost...thay are our future...

I went by the gun shop again today to see what he had and what he didnt have. Every gun in the house was gone except for a shotgun.

He did have some ammo though so I bought some more 223 today and some 9mm.

I could not believe it but America is buying guns like theres no tomorrow.

dsawdy wrote:

I understand what you are saying THunter but if controls are coming then accountability is the answer folks are looking for. This is a strong topic that will generate a lot of comments for and against regulation. If it is required that tactical weapons be locked up when you are not home then fine. If your tactical gun is used in a mass murder you should be held accountable for it. That is what the Govt. wants. What is decided is yet to be scene.

Let me propose this. What if to purchase a tactical firearm you have to sign and one other person (co-signer) outside of your household for you to purchase the firearm. If the firearm is used by a "mentally deficiant" or simply used by anyone for a killing you and or the co-signer can be held accountable for the shooting. Again it all falls back on accountability. Would'nt this be better than not being able to purchase this type of fire arm at all?

Wow-------- so if someone steals my car and kills a pedestrian I'm responsible ??????????????

If they come for my Guns , I believe in sharing

i'll keep the gun and give them 1 bullet at a time

From listening to the news the last couple days I dont think they have the votes for an "Assault weapons" ban. One senator said even though most would support increased background checks that the system is already strained and adding to it is impractical. and you know they have money to be trowing at programs right now< sarcasm......they may try a mag capacity limit. and enact some of the things that Obama outlined, which about half of them they already do....and others they should be doing....

Our Senator was the first out of the gate after Sandyhook with the "we need to be talking about reducing gun violence", and the Libs were all on board...saying see a DEM with an A ranking from the NRA talking about gun control....Now Joe is backpedaling a bit.....check out this Huffington post article...its fair to say they are off the Joe Manchin bandwagon.....they even refer to him as (R-WV) he is a Democrat......the comments at the end are the best.....

article heading is 'Joe Manchin, West Virginia Senator: 'Why Would Anybody Not Own A Gun?'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/joe-manchin-guns_n_2622248.html

the local gun shop I go to got 45,000 rounds of steel .223 WPA yesterday 200$ for 500rds, limit 1000rds per person and it was gone in 1.5hours.....

The feds have purchased about 1.6 billion rounds of .223, .40, 9mm in the last year or two. WTF is that about?

I'm doing what Hump told me to do......stocking up on 223. I'm shocked but 9mm supply is tight as well. I couldn't believe that.

TBONE21 wrote:

I'm doing what Hump told me to do......stocking up on 223. I'm shocked but 9mm supply is tight as well. I couldn't believe that.

It's all in short supply, even .22 LR is very hard to find, and when you do you pay for it big. We are buying it faster than they can make it.

Obama has helped the economy, the gun and ammo business is the best it's ever been. People are spending more on things.