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Number of posts : 4683 Age : 45 Location : Richwood, WV Registration date : 2009-03-08
Subject: Pitbull Rockers March 12th 2012, 1:43 am
I'm telling you now, these tires are freakin bad! I tried this climb several times, and hit it hard enough to almost flip over backwards with my S. After the front would set back down, the bighorns would just spin. All day long on the slippery trails I was sliding all fours in the turns trying to keep up. Terry was just cruising along like a grandma on a Sunday drive, while I was driving the wheels off mine.
I had my camera in my pocket, so no video of my attempts.
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Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 12th 2012, 8:26 am
That hill looked like nothing. Funny how pics and videos never do anything any justice. I hope the Rockers last as long as a Bighorn, but even if they don't I will still buy more. They are unreal!!!
Bobby D
Number of posts : 14579 Location : Blacksburg,Va Registration date : 2009-02-08
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 12th 2012, 5:44 pm
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 12:55 am
look like they clean out pretty good
Hump
Number of posts : 4683 Age : 45 Location : Richwood, WV Registration date : 2009-03-08
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 5:10 am
jbeane wrote:
look like they clean out pretty good
That they do. I wish I had video of my several tries. I hit it 6 or 7 times hard with tires in the air and just spun. I know Bighorns are not a mud tire, but there was no comparison what so ever. On the wet trials with a soft surface, I was in a 4 wheel slide all the time, while those Pitbulls were tracking straight with no slip. They are a mean tire, and seem to be well mannered on smooth trails at higher speeds too.
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 8:27 pm
i havent looked them up but do they make them in 12" and in atleast 27"?
any idea how they hold up? punctures/mileage.
i really like the looks of the sedona ripsaws, the guys weve rode with love them in the wv trails, BUT my dad just bought some for his new terex, and i mounted them. they are heavy as hell.
one other guy just put some procomp tires on his comander and they are a real good looking tire, but only come in 26"X14"
Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 9:12 pm
jbeane wrote:
i havent looked them up but do they make them in 12" and in atleast 27"?
any idea how they hold up? punctures/mileage.
i really like the looks of the sedona ripsaws, the guys weve rode with love them in the wv trails, BUT my dad just bought some for his new terex, and i mounted them. they are heavy as hell.
one other guy just put some procomp tires on his comander and they are a real good looking tire, but only come in 26"X14"
The Pitbull tires run in half sizes, 25.5, 26.5 and 27.5. I'm not sure if they have a size bigger than 27.5. However the biggest Rockers you can get is 26.5, which is just over 27 inches tall. If you want the 27.5, you gotta get the Growlers. The Pitbulls are a pretty heavy tire, as they are an 8 ply tire. I really liked the looks of the Rockers and wanted a set for quite a while. I didn't pull the trigger on a set because so many riders didn't like the weight and I let that influence my decision. After following Phimixson on a ride and he was running the Growlers I saw all I needed to see. He would rip right through stuff in 2wd that I could not get through with my Bighorns in 2wd.
After having some seat time with them they are unreal. They clean out really quick, but more than that is how well they grab stuff. The tread is very soft and flexible and you can't even count all the different biting edges on them. Comparing them to my Bighorns, well thats not even fair to the Bighorns. This past weekend Hump was climbing out of a ditch in 2wd, it was very slick and thick clay. He was spinning but his RZR was going backwards. After he put it in 4wd and moved on I went through in 2wd and never even spun. Actually they keep suprising me on every ride. I just hope they last as long as my Bighorns did, time will tell. Sorry to write so much but I wanted to give an honest review.
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 9:50 pm
i too have listend to everyone complain/compare about the weight of tires.
i want to go a inch bigger atleast. they say the bighorns measure bigger so since i have 26's now id need atleast a 27" tire to be the same. so its a good thing that the pitbull's are half sized and over sized.
whats the opinion on the growlers VS the rockers?
as for wear if there super soft then surely they will wear faster, but how fast is the question.
Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 10:03 pm
I don't know how fast they will wear. I have right at 500 miles on mine right now and see almost no noticeable wear. The tread depth on the Rockers is 1 1/8", so I figured when I bought them I had 1/4" of tread to wear off before I got to the tread depth of a new set of Bighorns. The height of a set of 26.5 Rockers is 27.2"
As for comparing them to the Growlers, I really don't know. I know from watching guys running the Growlers that they get awesome traction, much like the Rockers. The dealer I bought them from said the Rockers tend to last a little longer than the Growlers, but thats not first hand knowledge. I don't think you would go wrong either way. For me I just like the look of the Rockers better than the Growlers, but thats just my personal preference.
Bobby D
Number of posts : 14579 Location : Blacksburg,Va Registration date : 2009-02-08
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 10:11 pm
I looked the price of these tires up
Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 20th 2012, 10:22 pm
Bobby D wrote:
I looked the price of these tires up
Yep the price is painful!!! I gave $710.00 for mine after tax. I was gonna buy another set of Bighorns and they were gonna cost me $620.00 after tax. So I figured whats another 90 bucks. I will tell you that I will spend the money to buy another set. They are that good. But thats just my opinion.
Hump
Number of posts : 4683 Age : 45 Location : Richwood, WV Registration date : 2009-03-08
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 21st 2012, 3:47 am
Side by side = seperate savings account for mods and maintenance.
keeter
Number of posts : 933 Age : 70 Location : Winston Salem, NC</>Hilltop Escape, WV Registration date : 2010-06-02
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 21st 2012, 8:54 am
Yea I'm gonna say that the Bighorns are a great tire especially out toward Moab but places like Wv where you have all types terain the Pitbulls and tire like them do a lot better. I ended up going with Interco Reptile 27 x 12s on my RZR and haven't looked back since, I was convinced when i had to rail run a log over a washout on 9 Mile ridge above Pinnacle Creek campground that i had a tire I needed for my type riding. Like has been mentioned i rarely have to go in 4 WD unless its a deep mudhole!
bigben129
Number of posts : 773 Age : 43 Location : Elizabeth Wv Registration date : 2011-02-09
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 21st 2012, 9:49 am
philmixon put a huge hole in the sidewall of his growler this weekend. 5 plugs and SLIME and it was still leaking LOL so phil is gonna need a
i went ahead and ordered the GBC dirt tamers Cause funds are low right now. we will see how they do
Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 21st 2012, 10:56 am
From what I have seen slime and plugs don't mix. Ask Jimbob about the plugs we put in one of his sidewalls. The plugs would not stick, when we put pressure on the tire they just slid right out. The plugs will not adhere very well with slime.
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 21st 2012, 11:25 pm
i will seriously consider the pitbulls. if there that much better than the bighorn.
i ride anything you can think of in wv, and hit plenty of sloppy mud. i very rarely use 4wd with the big horns.
only been stuck a couple times.
bubba53 Moderator
Number of posts : 12045 Age : 70 Location : statesville,nc Registration date : 2009-08-29
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers March 25th 2012, 12:54 pm
Pit bulls are 8 ply and they are
Tiger Rag
Number of posts : 989 Age : 55 Location : Winston-Salem, NC Registration date : 2009-02-16
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 3rd 2012, 4:15 pm
Everything I've read on other sites is that the Pit Bulls hook up great. The gripe is power robbing weight and that they make it tough to spin around the back end of the machine with.
What I read out of those descriptions is that they must be ideal trail and mud combo. I'd like to hear more about toughness and lack of sidewall punctures. Also durability would be nice, but if the tread compound is softer, it's going to wear more. The fact that the tread depth is deeper is going to offer some additional life though.
Will be interesting to see how the Pit Bulls perform and last going forward.
Someone mentioned the Sedona Ripsaws. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/50/82/177/744/-/30668/Sedona-Rip-Saw-R-T-Radial-ATV-Tire I also liked the look of these for a trail tire. Reviews I read on these said that at speeds over 50 they vibrated. I'm wondering if some of that could be mitigated by having them balanced when mounted. The price isn't too bad on them.
Others I like the look of are the STI Black Diamonds. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/50/82/177/744/-/31262/STI-Black-Diamond-XTR-Radial-ATV-Tire Complaints are it rides a little rough and not a grippy on hard packed. I guess not enough surface area on hard packed. I'd think lowering tire pressure would help the ride since they are radials. I have beadlocks so I can probably lower a little bit more without much risk of unseating a bead.
Kenda Bearclaw radial looks like it would be a great all around tire. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/50/82/177/744/-/31976/Kenda-Bear-Claw-HTR-Radial-ATV-Tire
One last trail tire that caught my eye is the Maxxis VIPR. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/50/82/177/744/-/31976/Kenda-Bear-Claw-HTR-Radial-ATV-Tire Pricey, but I suspect that since it is the same mfgr as the Bighorn that it will have similar ride characteristics, ie., comfortable. Looks like it might have a little more mud capability and bite but primarily what I like about it over the Bighorn is the directional tread. That has always been my biggest beef with the Bighorn. You don't notice it as bad in a RZR as you do in a higher profile SxS. I like that they were designed specifically for a SxS. The only thing I see now as I look back at them is that they are only available for 14" wheels. That will rule them out for me as I have 12" beadlocks and am not looking to change wheels.
Thanks for the video and if anyone has any input on any of these others, I'd be interested to hear it. I'm in no hurry as the Bighorns work well on the RZR, just keeping an eye out is all.
RickV
Number of posts : 591 Age : 69 Location : Clarksburg, WV Registration date : 2009-02-11
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 3rd 2012, 5:19 pm
I just bought tires last weekend in prep for the spring ride. I too was going to get the rockers but the dealer was out of the size I needed. HE then showed me a set of ITP Blackwater Evolutions. They are 8 ply, with 1 inch lugs, the side walls are reinforced to resist puncture. I haven't had a chance yet to run them but I will post up after the spring ride of what I think of them. If you are going to the ride look me up and check them out. Here are some pics of them https://wvsxsriders.forumotion.com/t7786-brand-new-tennis-shoes
Tiger Rag
Number of posts : 989 Age : 55 Location : Winston-Salem, NC Registration date : 2009-02-16
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 3rd 2012, 10:47 pm
They look good Rick. Thanks for letting us know about them. I wish I was going to be at the spring ride but alas I will be with my family at the beach for Easter. Keep us posted on how they work for you. I like the directional tread. If they are tough and durable, I think they could be a contender!
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 3rd 2012, 11:49 pm
my dad has the rip saws on his terex. havent used them off road yet but they deff vibrate a bunch over 35-40 mph. his terex tops out about 50ish. and they are shaking like crazy at 50.
i thought it was where its been setting for a couple months, but if others are reporting it then they might need balanced.
Tiger Rag
Number of posts : 989 Age : 55 Location : Winston-Salem, NC Registration date : 2009-02-16
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 4th 2012, 12:03 am
jbeane wrote:
my dad has the rip saws on his terex. havent used them off road yet but they deff vibrate a bunch over 35-40 mph. his terex tops out about 50ish. and they are shaking like crazy at 50.
i thought it was where its been setting for a couple months, but if others are reporting it then they might need balanced.
Yeah, I think I read that on RZR forums. Maybe not too bad on some machines, but on an XP that is capable of 70+ (not that I've even exceeded much over 50 on mine), it might be better to consider another tire. It looks like a great trail tire pattern though.
pit dog
Number of posts : 4423 Age : 64 Location : charleston WV Registration date : 2010-01-28
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 4th 2012, 9:44 pm
My growlers have 1300 miles on them. Very little wear. Pit bull has a patent on the rubber compound. They are a little heavy. And on the rockers you will see the lugs start chipping & splitting.I done 27.5 X 9 all around. love them. Paid 560 on the porch 18 mo ago. Also have great rim guardss
opelgt73
Number of posts : 101 Location : Greensboro, NC Registration date : 2011-06-13
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 4th 2012, 10:46 pm
I have Rockers bought them after the fall ride last year when I ripped a hole in my stock tire (Thanks again RAY RAY for the use of the tire). I like them and they are heavy but I don't really notice any difference other than not being able to slide the rear around because they hook up to good.
Tiger Rag
Number of posts : 989 Age : 55 Location : Winston-Salem, NC Registration date : 2009-02-16
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 4th 2012, 11:03 pm
opelgt73 wrote:
I have Rockers bought them after the fall ride last year when I ripped a hole in my stock tire (Thanks again RAY RAY for the use of the tire). I like them and they are heavy but I don't really notice any difference other than not being able to slide the rear around because they hook up to good.
That's exactly what I've read about them. Could be a good thing unless it is because they are so heavy. I would think you'd feel more acceleration if they are hooking up like is reported.
I have definite interest in this tire.
jbeane
Number of posts : 420 Age : 47 Location : st. albans wv Registration date : 2011-10-01
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 5th 2012, 12:45 am
local dealer carries the efx tires. motomtc.
this is the one weve been looking at. very similar to a big horn but with deeper lugs and a lil more side bite.
the dealer has a couple set out on pipeline/gas line atv's and utv's and have zero complaints so far.
Thunter
Number of posts : 1339 Age : 52 Location : Pennsboro, WV Registration date : 2009-09-10
Subject: Re: Pitbull Rockers April 8th 2012, 7:39 pm
Tiger Rag wrote:
opelgt73 wrote:
I have Rockers bought them after the fall ride last year when I ripped a hole in my stock tire (Thanks again RAY RAY for the use of the tire). I like them and they are heavy but I don't really notice any difference other than not being able to slide the rear around because they hook up to good.
That's exactly what I've read about them. Could be a good thing unless it is because they are so heavy. I would think you'd feel more acceleration if they are hooking up like is reported.
I have definite interest in this tire.
It is definitely more of a chore to get the rear end to break free with my Rockers. However it has nothing to do with tire weight. They just grab everything in sight. Ask someone who has rode behind them for awhile. I can't speak about the Growlers but I have followed someone who was running them and they seem to do the same thing. I have 500 miles on my Rockers now and have zero wear on the fronts. I do have a very minimal amout of wear on the rear. Of course I have a heavy foot, even on pavement.
There are alot of good tires out there. Those ITP Blackwater tires look pretty nice and the tread is very soft. Looking forward to hearing from Rick V as to how they do. Also like the Grim Reapers somewhat. I will not go back to a 6 ply tire though. I want heavy sidewalls and a durable tire, with an agressive tread and a soft rubber compound. But thats just me.