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PostSubject: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 4th 2011, 10:06 pm

I got that black box installed on my commander and it def makes a difference! I don't think I like it very much on muddy slick trails, I had so much wheel spin that I had to keep it in 4 wheel drive to keep it from fish tailing off the trail! I will let everyone know how it does on a dry day, going riding tomorrow maybe it won't be as slick. The good thing is if it is slick all I have to do is unplug the box and plug up the stock plug.
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 4th 2011, 10:14 pm

Did you add an exhaust or just the box??
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 4th 2011, 10:17 pm

I guess I will get that and there goes the XP's. Bye Bye!!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 4th 2011, 11:14 pm

cool!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 5th 2011, 9:11 am

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I guess I will get that and there goes the XP's. Bye Bye!!
Oh yeah...I know all the xp owners are Muzzy Black Box 642818 right now.... Muzzy Black Box 568845
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 5th 2011, 9:50 am

That's right
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That's right
Muzzy Black Box 797616 Whats up Tbone...you being awful nice today.. Muzzy Black Box 568845
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 5th 2011, 11:26 am

I'm a good guy. That's why! Muzzy Black Box 547456
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 5th 2011, 1:14 pm

TBONE21 wrote:
Did you add an exhaust or just the box??
Just the box....
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 11:39 am

What benefits is it supposed to provide?
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 11:44 am

Supposed to take all the lag out and let the motor fly!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 12:34 pm

How much are they?$$$$$
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 1:07 pm

150.00

Here is the link so you can read up on it.
http://www.muzzys.com/Can-Am_Commander/CommanderBlackBox/index.html
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150.00

Here is the link so you can read up on it.
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It also comes with a set of wings...
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 3:44 pm

And 6 crying towels, for when a XP puts in on ya!!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 5:17 pm

Whatever. It won't take much to outrun an XP! If I get that box it's over.
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 5:42 pm

TBONE21 wrote:
Whatever. It won't take much to outrun an XP! If I get that box it's over.
Muzzy Black Box 514110 Good luck on you new adventure.... Muzzy Black Box 568845
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 5:43 pm

Thanks bubba
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 6:25 pm

ive been building cars for years. unless the factory pcm is detuned, theres no way that a tunning box can make a huge diffrence.


on N/A cars ( naturaly aspirated) all these magic tunners, hypertech etc etc dont make enuff hp diffrence to be felt by the seat of the pants.



the only time a plug in box makes a huge diffrence i on turboed because it ups the boost and makes a REAL hp gain.

now that being said, im currious what paramaters the box actually changes.

obvioulsy timming and the fuel map, but there only so much timming you can add in before it starts hurting power and parts.

why does the canam have so much lag? is it drive by wire? or does it have a normal throttle cable?
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 6:29 pm

Drive by wire
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 6:39 pm

ok so it can speed up the reaction time of the servo, but that is just gona fool ya on thinking its gots more power by reducing the lag.

as far as truly making MORE power, id say its only gona ba a very small gain.
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 7:11 pm

^^^Yea, Whay he said^^^^^ Its back to dream land for poor old T-Bone. And just when he thought that he had the thing licked.
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 7:19 pm

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^^^Yea, Whay he said^^^^^ Its back to dream land for poor old T-Bone. And just when he thought that he had the thing licked.

It will be easy to beat those XP's. I def have you covered by a mile! Big Laugh

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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 8:36 pm

The main reason it makes a difference is that it disables the shaft saver on the can am, which allows for full power to the ground!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 8:46 pm

Wiley wrote:
The main reason it makes a difference is that it disables the shaft saver on the can am, which allows for full power to the ground!

so it has a torque management like the GM trucks do. it does make a big diffrence out of the hole, but how long will the shafts and cv's last??

the glass gears in the GM trannys dont last very long.


i dont own or have anything in the rzr vs can am arguement, but the reason GM and can am put that on there is the parts wont take the power.
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 10:57 pm

Can't take it. Can't stay!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 11:26 pm

kennylacy wrote:
I got that black box installed on my commander and it def makes a difference! I don't think I like it very much on muddy slick trails, I had so much wheel spin that I had to keep it in 4 wheel drive to keep it from fish tailing off the trail! I will let everyone know how it does on a dry day, going riding tomorrow maybe it won't be as slick. The good thing is if it is slick all I have to do is unplug the box and plug up the stock plug.
Kenny...that sounds great...you could let some of the air out of the tires to give it more traction....just a thought....
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 11:31 pm

jbeane wrote:
Wiley wrote:
The main reason it makes a difference is that it disables the shaft saver on the can am, which allows for full power to the ground!

so it has a torque management like the GM trucks do. it does make a big diffrence out of the hole, but how long will the shafts and cv's last??

the glass gears in the GM trannys dont last very long.


i dont own or have anything in the rzr vs can am arguement, but the reason GM and can am put that on there is the parts wont take the power.
hey jbeane...according to Tbone..the can-am has the strongest frame in the world...do you recon they also have the strongest parts in the world .... Muzzy Black Box 797616
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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 6th 2011, 11:32 pm

TBONE21 wrote:
3012red wrote:
^^^Yea, Whay he said^^^^^ Its back to dream land for poor old T-Bone. And just when he thought that he had the thing licked.

It will be easy to beat those XP's. I def have you covered by a mile! Big Laugh

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PostSubject: Re: Muzzy Black Box   Muzzy Black Box Icon_minitimeNovember 8th 2011, 10:11 pm

bubba53 wrote:
kennylacy wrote:
I got that black box installed on my commander and it def makes a difference! I don't think I like it very much on muddy slick trails, I had so much wheel spin that I had to keep it in 4 wheel drive to keep it from fish tailing off the trail! I will let everyone know how it does on a dry day, going riding tomorrow maybe it won't be as slick. The good thing is if it is slick all I have to do is unplug the box and plug up the stock plug.
Kenny...that sounds great...you could let some of the air out of the tires to give it more traction....just a thought....
Yea bubba im going to try that too. I have them maxed out on air trying to avoid side walls busting out. THese rip saws seam to be alot better tire.
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