bias ply or radial?

found this website and was looking at tires. what you guys think? whats the pros and cons of the two types of tires. i am still on stockers LOL you guys have way more miles and knowledge that i do. also i posted the prices of the two tires i was particularly interested in.

http://www.atvtiresbarn.com/front_pro_xgt.htm#82

	GBC Dirt Commander ATV Tire 26-9-12 8 Ply	AE122609DC	$96.26	$192.52
	GBC Dirt Commander ATV Tire 26-11-12 8 Ply	AE122611DC	$130.32	$260.64
	GBC Dirt Tamer ATV Tire 27x9.00-12 Front 6 Ply	AR122936	$1o1.20	$202.40
	GBC Dirt Tamer ATV Tire 27x12.00-12 Rear 6 Ply	AR122226	$114.17	$228.34

Definitely radial, check out this tire review that I did. There are lots of radial options out there.

https://wvsxsriders.forumotion.com/t6370-new-kenda-bounty-hunter-ht-sxs-tire-review

I like the radials also you will get more mile out of them ride better i have pitbull growlers and they are good on any ride smooth on trail and on road but they are a little much but they are 8ply side wall 700 miles on them so far and they look pretty much brand new

what size are you running on your teryx? what modifications are you running?

just wondering what i can do with out lots of money and mods.

i like the looks of the gbc tamers ( look like bighorns ) they are 27 inches tall which is something i want more ground clearance so guys like THUNTER dont have to pull me out cause of getting high centered. but i also want something that i can trail ride on. not crazy mudders.

thanks for info.

anyone ever ran gbc tamers

mine ar 27.5 pitbull growlers actually the mweasure up to a 28 and i put a dalton cluth kit in and does great if you go with a 27 you probably dont need the cluth kit i put mine in cause i like the get up and go faster and it does great now

OK, I'll be the one's that different (Shut UP, HRR). I've had 14" x 11" Dirt Commanders on most of time riding this year. They replaced regular Bighorns and I probably won't go back. No difference in ride quality unless they're stiff from storage. That goes away. I think that because of more sidewall flex I've had more "pinch" punctures than I care to afford with this size radial (3 @ $120/ea.) Great side bite and traction at 10 psi.

Get the GBC Dirt Tamers -- they are winners IMO.

I'm gonna differ with the group. Radials are great for cars but way over rated for off road. It is true that at the same PSI a radial will give a softer ride and better traction (tread spreads length of tire better since belts circle tire).

But -- a bias ply can run with much lower air pressure and has a far thicker sidewall. I also find that a lower air pressure greatly reduces steering kickback -- a huge benefit. the lower air pressure also increases contact patch giving increased grip.

Here's a good article:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-TSLs/

The overlapping, criss-cross plies of a bias ply tire results in a carcass and sidewall that are thick, stiff, and strong. This very strong sidewall more easily withstands trail hazards and punctures than a radial design (where all the chords run in the same direction, are generally made of weaker, more flexible polyester, and there are fewer plies). This is not only because the multiple plies result in a great thickness (making it harder to penetrate completely), but also because of the alternating angles of the bias ply. If an injury does occur in the sidewall of a bias ply tire it is much less likely to completely rip or tear (called a "zipper") than radial tire.

A bias ply tire can be aired down lower than an equivalent radial tire. This is because the heavy-duty sidewalls of a bias ply tire also help support the load more than in a radial. Remember that the plies criss-cross across a bias ply tire. One layer is strong in the weak direction of another. As the tire is compressed and flattened by the load, some of the cords are put under tension where the great tensile strength of nylon results in the sidewall supporting the load in conjunction with the air pressure inside the tire - the result being we need less air pressure in the tire to support the load.

Bias ply construction also presents two additional characteristics - neither of which are of any real concern in a hardcore trail rig. Due to their weight and lack of steel belts or cap plies, bias ply tires tend to be less fuel efficient for highway use than radial tires. Also, nylon has a tendency to take a set when statically loaded, especially when cold, resulting in the "square tire" syndrome.

Randy R I may save some money next time and go


that route.

Randy R wrote:

Get the GBC Dirt Tamers -- they are winners IMO.

I'm gonna differ with the group. Radials are great for cars but way over rated for off road. It is true that at the same PSI a radial will give a softer ride and better traction (tread spreads length of tire better since belts circle tire).

But -- a bias ply can run with much lower air pressure and has a far thicker sidewall. I also find that a lower air pressure greatly reduces steering kickback -- a huge benefit. the lower air pressure also increases contact patch giving increased grip.

Here's a good article:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-TSLs/

The overlapping, criss-cross plies of a bias ply tire results in a carcass and sidewall that are thick, stiff, and strong. This very strong sidewall more easily withstands trail hazards and punctures than a radial design (where all the chords run in the same direction, are generally made of weaker, more flexible polyester, and there are fewer plies). This is not only because the multiple plies result in a great thickness (making it harder to penetrate completely), but also because of the alternating angles of the bias ply. If an injury does occur in the sidewall of a bias ply tire it is much less likely to completely rip or tear (called a "zipper") than radial tire.

A bias ply tire can be aired down lower than an equivalent radial tire. This is because the heavy-duty sidewalls of a bias ply tire also help support the load more than in a radial. Remember that the plies criss-cross across a bias ply tire. One layer is strong in the weak direction of another. As the tire is compressed and flattened by the load, some of the cords are put under tension where the great tensile strength of nylon results in the sidewall supporting the load in conjunction with the air pressure inside the tire - the result being we need less air pressure in the tire to support the load.

Bias ply construction also presents two additional characteristics - neither of which are of any real concern in a hardcore trail rig. Due to their weight and lack of steel belts or cap plies, bias ply tires tend to be less fuel efficient for highway use than radial tires. Also, nylon has a tendency to take a set when statically loaded, especially when cold, resulting in the "square tire" syndrome.

wow ! you couldnt pay good money to get the info this site provides. great, great post brother.

Good post randy

I looked hard before buying my last set of tires. I had Mudlite XTR's but tore the sides -- 30+ plugs and the hole kept getting bigger. Had BigHorn's on the Rhino and loved them except that I had to use Beadlocks to keep them on the rims. I also tore the sidewall in two Bighorns -- one kept tearing after plugging.

I replaced the torn BigHorn with a New BigHorn I purchased off ebay. It was a BIAS PLY!!! I did not realize that existed but it did. The tire was made before 2007 but looked new. I searched the internet pretty extensively for info on the Bighorn Bias Ply after that. Funny thing to me is that when the Bighorn bias ply was discontinued there was people ordering the tires from Canada due to the USA warehouses being out of stock. Most were mudders and some were rock crawlers. They claimed the durability to be better. Anyway that BigHorn is still on the Rhino (in South Dakota) and holding up great.

I now swear by GBC Dirt Tamers. This is the new "Bias Ply BigHorn". On my Honda Rincon I can run them at 2.5 psi. Handles as well as my Can-am with DPS. Soft tires give when you hit stuff and really save my arms. I'm now thinking power steering was needed due to radials and the higher air pressure required.

That's what I have been looking for. A tire that has tough sidewalls. Honestly my stock tires from my rzr were the best. Lasted forever and no leaks

I could go one about the pros and cons on each forever. I can't type it all. Best saved for the campfire.

I like radials on a sxs, and bias on a offroad truck. I think the radials feel a whole lot better while high speed cornering in a sxs at 8 psi than a bias ply at even the same pressure. The rhino has mudlite xls on it, and it goes like hell with 3-4 psi, but feels like crap in the turns. And, even in the snow, you can't hardly control where you are going due to the floatation at that low pressure, but floatation is what keeps you moving, instead of just digging holes. The radials seem to have good tread contact at 8-10 psi and also handle like a racecar at that pressure too. That's why I like the radials on a sxs.

All of this is good info. --- I have been running radialon my machine for the last few years. They seems to be my favorite right now.

Good post...thanks for the info....I feel as though I can get a job at any tire center with all this knowledge.....

thanks for the input guys i appreciate it.

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who has the best deals on tires? LOL

i am all about bang for your buck deals sounds like the dirt tamers should fit the bill pretty good. not super nasty aggressive hopefully good ride on gravel roads and hardpack. and extra height for ground clearance

bigben129 wrote:

thanks for the input guys i appreciate it.

now . .. . . . . . . . . .

who has the best deals on tires? LOL

i am all about bang for your buck deals sounds like the dirt tamers should fit the bill pretty good. not super nasty aggressive hopefully good ride on gravel roads and hardpack. and extra height for ground clearance

His prices are hard to beat http://www.atvserver.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ATV&Category_Code=DTT

Also check e-bay

hey just reading this post good info do these dirt tamers run small or large in size and weight could a 660 grizzly stock handle 26 s cant beat experience thanks travis

Bobby D wrote:

bigben129 wrote:

thanks for the input guys i appreciate it.

now . .. . . . . . . . . .

who has the best deals on tires? LOL

i am all about bang for your buck deals sounds like the dirt tamers should fit the bill pretty good. not super nasty aggressive hopefully good ride on gravel roads and hardpack. and extra height for ground clearance

His prices are hard to beat http://www.atvserver.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ATV&Category_Code=DTT

Also check e-bay

Bobby would you run those on your rzr for the type of riding we do?

travis ayers wrote:

hey just reading this post good info do these dirt tamers run small or large in size and weight could a 660 grizzly stock handle 26 s cant beat experience thanks travis

Yes, go with 26s on the 660. A friend of mine has a 660 with 27x12s on itp wheels on the rear and they rub just slightly, plus he says it hurt the power just a little. 26s do good on a grizzly, and look good to with no ill effects from what I've seen.

TBONE21 wrote:

Bobby D wrote:

bigben129 wrote:

thanks for the input guys i appreciate it.

now . .. . . . . . . . . .

who has the best deals on tires? LOL

i am all about bang for your buck deals sounds like the dirt tamers should fit the bill pretty good. not super nasty aggressive hopefully good ride on gravel roads and hardpack. and extra height for ground clearance

His prices are hard to beat http://www.atvserver.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ATV&Category_Code=DTT

Also check e-bay

Bobby would you run those on your rzr for the type of riding we do?

Yes I would buy them a guy that use to ride with me all the time put some on his 06 Ranger 700 back in 2006 and they did good