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| Subject: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 5:03 pm | |
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| | | Gadget
Number of posts : 1464 Location : Hillsboro, Ohio Registration date : 2009-05-07
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 5:13 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 7:08 pm | |
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| | | WV Hot Rod Rhino Admin
Number of posts : 5386 Age : 57 Location : Mount Hope, WV Registration date : 2009-10-06
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 7:15 pm | |
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| | | big g
Number of posts : 3689 Age : 65 Location : Stokesdale N.C-HillTop WVA Registration date : 2010-02-04
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 9:21 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 14th 2011, 9:41 pm | |
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| | | Hump
Number of posts : 4683 Age : 45 Location : Richwood, WV Registration date : 2009-03-08
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 1:05 am | |
| I want a 1911 so bad. Big money for one though, and I hear bad things about some that are under $1000. The price just keeps me away. | |
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| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 7:18 am | |
| - Yamabeast wrote:
- I want a 1911 so bad. Big money for one though, and I hear bad things about some that are under $1000. The price just keeps me away.
there are a bunch of nice 1911s under $1000 lots around $500 |
| | | shawn
Number of posts : 5230 Age : 50 Location : Beaver, WV Registration date : 2009-02-11
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 10:03 am | |
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| | | Bobby D
Number of posts : 14579 Location : Blacksburg,Va Registration date : 2009-02-08
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 10:37 am | |
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| | | Finzup
Number of posts : 2037 Age : 75 Location : Kenna, WV Registration date : 2009-07-13
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 4:35 pm | |
| - bush wrote:
- Yamabeast wrote:
- I want a 1911 so bad. Big money for one though, and I hear bad things about some that are under $1000. The price just keeps me away.
there are a bunch of nice 1911s under $1000 lots around $500 Yeah, I bought a Taurus, on sale, for about that much. Sold it though. Too much recoil to make an quick, accurate second/third shot. Also too big and heavy for concealed carry. I did enjoy taking it on dirt bike rides around the farm with a "Tanker's" holster. Now use the same setup with my Bersa 380. | |
| | | Hump
Number of posts : 4683 Age : 45 Location : Richwood, WV Registration date : 2009-03-08
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 15th 2011, 5:23 pm | |
| I don't have a 1911, but I do have a .45. | |
| | | Gunpilot
Number of posts : 263 Location : Michigan Registration date : 2010-04-26
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 17th 2011, 7:10 pm | |
| I like it.. but would have to say I prefer to carry a G19 | |
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| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 17th 2011, 7:35 pm | |
| i went to a call this weekend where a guy shot himself in both legs with one shot with a kimber 1911 45cal. guy said he was unloading it to clean it. |
| | | Gadget
Number of posts : 1464 Location : Hillsboro, Ohio Registration date : 2009-05-07
| | | | Finzup
Number of posts : 2037 Age : 75 Location : Kenna, WV Registration date : 2009-07-13
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 17th 2011, 8:06 pm | |
| I'm sure you guys know this but the 45 ca. 1911 replaced the 38 cal. in the WWI era because the .38 wouldn't reliably drop a Cavalry horse. The 1911 can be field repaired by using any other 1911 of any origin (Colt, Springfield, Singer, even Brazil, etc.) for parts. I believe it to be the most successful military issue pistol in US(or world) history. I've shot the .45 1911 and a WWII issue Luger. You'd have to be right on top of the enemy to even hit them with the Luger(such a short barrel). But, also a very reliable weapon produced forever. | |
| | | Gunpilot
Number of posts : 263 Location : Michigan Registration date : 2010-04-26
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 17th 2011, 9:02 pm | |
| Finzup, I love my 1911's, not going to bad mouth the platform.. I am always looking for another one...
I have won many matches with my gold cup, and kimber target II.. however, if I am going to pack 4 lbs of steel on me, I might was well carry an underfolder that can hit targets out past 100m.
We stopped riding horses a long time ago.. and I certainly don't plan on putting a horse down. There have been many technological advances in ammunition since we rode horses, or the luger was invented. There are 9mm loads now that far exceed the stopping power 230 grain round nose lead bullets of old.
Field maintainability might be accurate for a GI 1911, but certainly do not hold water for the off the shelf 1911 these days. Different size calibers, magazines, slides, bushings, etc etc based on the model/manufacturer.
Barrel length impacts velocity, and helps the shooter, but does not impact the accuracy of a firearm. Short barrel and long shot from a gun vise should be equally accurate.
Best is the well trained user that knows how to use it, and how to fight. Want to invest money in safety, or effectiveness, spend it on training! | |
| | | Finzup
Number of posts : 2037 Age : 75 Location : Kenna, WV Registration date : 2009-07-13
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 18th 2011, 12:29 am | |
| - Gunpilot wrote:
- Finzup, I love my 1911's, not going to bad mouth the platform.. I am always looking for another one...
I have won many matches with my gold cup, and kimber target II.. however, if I am going to pack 4 lbs of steel on me, I might was well carry an underfolder that can hit targets out past 100m.
We stopped riding horses a long time ago.. and I certainly don't plan on putting a horse down. There have been many technological advances in ammunition since we rode horses, or the luger was invented. There are 9mm loads now that far exceed the stopping power 230 grain round nose lead bullets of old.
Field maintainability might be accurate for a GI 1911, but certainly do not hold water for the off the shelf 1911 these days. Different size calibers, magazines, slides, bushings, etc etc based on the model/manufacturer.
Barrel length impacts velocity, and helps the shooter, but does not impact the accuracy of a firearm. Short barrel and long shot from a gun vise should be equally accurate.
Best is the well trained user that knows how to use it, and how to fight. Want to invest money in safety, or effectiveness, spend it on training! Sorry to differ but if it's a 1911 of 45 cal., by specification, all the parts will fit another .45 1911. Nobody shoots horses unless they were being run over by Cavalry units pre-WWI. .38 wouldn't do it. They were officer's pistols thereafter. I think the 9mm Luger is older than the 1911 .45. Mine is a 1935 'G' date. Barrel length does make a difference on effective range(think of sight alignment error). Shorter is worse on any pistol you'll shoot. I'm not talking about using a gun vise which has absolutely nothing to do with off hand accuracy. Muzzle velocity has nothing to do with accuracy in hand-hand combat. If it's a sudden combat encounter ,under 40', I'd walk toward a Luger if I had a .45 1911. Any farther away, you're relying on a lucky shot and you should run for cover because your risk of hitting or being hit is very low with a short barreled pistol. My CC permit instructor suggested 30' as the fight-or-flee threshold. All that said, practice with your favorite gun(rifle or pistol) does makes you a better shooter. | |
| | | Gunpilot
Number of posts : 263 Location : Michigan Registration date : 2010-04-26
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 18th 2011, 2:15 am | |
| - Finzup wrote:
- Gunpilot wrote:
- Finzup, I love my 1911's, not going to bad mouth the platform.. I am always looking for another one...
I have won many matches with my gold cup, and kimber target II.. however, if I am going to pack 4 lbs of steel on me, I might was well carry an underfolder that can hit targets out past 100m.
We stopped riding horses a long time ago.. and I certainly don't plan on putting a horse down. There have been many technological advances in ammunition since we rode horses, or the luger was invented. There are 9mm loads now that far exceed the stopping power 230 grain round nose lead bullets of old.
Field maintainability might be accurate for a GI 1911, but certainly do not hold water for the off the shelf 1911 these days. Different size calibers, magazines, slides, bushings, etc etc based on the model/manufacturer.
Barrel length impacts velocity, and helps the shooter, but does not impact the accuracy of a firearm. Short barrel and long shot from a gun vise should be equally accurate.
Best is the well trained user that knows how to use it, and how to fight. Want to invest money in safety, or effectiveness, spend it on training! Sorry to differ but if it's a 1911 of 45 cal., by specification, all the parts will fit another .45 1911.
Nobody shoots horses unless they were being run over by Cavalry units pre-WWI. .38 wouldn't do it. They were officer's pistols thereafter. I think the 9mm Luger is older than the 1911 .45. Mine is a 1935 'G' date.
Barrel length does make a difference on effective range(think of sight alignment error). Shorter is worse on any pistol you'll shoot. I'm not talking about using a gun vise which has absolutely nothing to do with off hand accuracy.
Muzzle velocity has nothing to do with accuracy in hand-hand combat. If it's a sudden combat encounter ,under 40', I'd walk toward a Luger if I had a .45 1911. Any farther away, you're relying on a lucky shot and you should run for cover because your risk of hitting or being hit is very low with a short barreled pistol. My CC permit instructor suggested 30' as the fight-or-flee threshold.
All that said, practice with your favorite gun(rifle or pistol) does makes you a better shooter. Finzup, I never claimer muzzle velocity had anything to do with accuracy, not sure where you got that. My post disagrees with your claim barrel length impacts accuracy, barrel length doesn't impact firearm accuracy. It does however make it easier for the shooter, and as I get older and my eyes age with me, i can tell the difference. Also you can search many firearms parts online for the 1911, and you find many require fitting. Once quick search pulled this: 1) Most parts are not drop in. Check Midwayusa.com under the 1911 parts and read the reviews for each part you want, others post about if there was or was not fitting required. 2) The grips should be universal, bushings are different on different makes of guns so keep that in mind. 3) Guide rods, mainspring housings, slidestop, mag release, springs, barrel bushing are drop in for the most part. Barrels, anything to do with the hammer-sear-disconnect are not drop in as they have to be fitted to each other. For example you can just drop a new hammer in but it will affect the trigger pull and may even not work. Safeties-thumb and grip are not drop in and reqiure fitting by you with time in mind. 4) Single stack mags Government/ Comander from Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, Springfield, exc... 7 or 8 rounders will work, some guns prefer some mags. I have a Springfield Loaded Government and to loves Springfield 7 rounds but does not work with Wilson Combat 8 round ETM. Just because its a 45 1911 does not mean the parts are interchangeable. I would think if its a GI 1911 you would be right. There are different Series, barrel lengths, and grip lengths. You are a braver man than I if you would walk towards a luger just because you had a 1911. Never had an instructor tell me that before.. usually its shoot, move, cover. Sounds like it would be good to get us all out to the range someday and compare toys! Thats whats nice about our country.. atleast it still its.. I think.. We can all have different opinions, and there are a Ton of choices for us.. thats why are Safes are always filling up! | |
| | | Finzup
Number of posts : 2037 Age : 75 Location : Kenna, WV Registration date : 2009-07-13
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 18th 2011, 11:41 am | |
| - Gunpilot wrote:
- Finzup wrote:
- Gunpilot wrote:
- Finzup, I love my 1911's, not going to bad mouth the platform.. I am always looking for another one...
I have won many matches with my gold cup, and kimber target II.. however, if I am going to pack 4 lbs of steel on me, I might was well carry an underfolder that can hit targets out past 100m.
We stopped riding horses a long time ago.. and I certainly don't plan on putting a horse down. There have been many technological advances in ammunition since we rode horses, or the luger was invented. There are 9mm loads now that far exceed the stopping power 230 grain round nose lead bullets of old.
Field maintainability might be accurate for a GI 1911, but certainly do not hold water for the off the shelf 1911 these days. Different size calibers, magazines, slides, bushings, etc etc based on the model/manufacturer.
Barrel length impacts velocity, and helps the shooter, but does not impact the accuracy of a firearm. Short barrel and long shot from a gun vise should be equally accurate.
Best is the well trained user that knows how to use it, and how to fight. Want to invest money in safety, or effectiveness, spend it on training! Sorry to differ but if it's a 1911 of 45 cal., by specification, all the parts will fit another .45 1911.
Nobody shoots horses unless they were being run over by Cavalry units pre-WWI. .38 wouldn't do it. They were officer's pistols thereafter. I think the 9mm Luger is older than the 1911 .45. Mine is a 1935 'G' date.
Barrel length does make a difference on effective range(think of sight alignment error). Shorter is worse on any pistol you'll shoot. I'm not talking about using a gun vise which has absolutely nothing to do with off hand accuracy.
Muzzle velocity has nothing to do with accuracy in hand-hand combat. If it's a sudden combat encounter ,under 40', I'd walk toward a Luger if I had a .45 1911. Any farther away, you're relying on a lucky shot and you should run for cover because your risk of hitting or being hit is very low with a short barreled pistol. My CC permit instructor suggested 30' as the fight-or-flee threshold.
All that said, practice with your favorite gun(rifle or pistol) does makes you a better shooter. Finzup, I never claimer muzzle velocity had anything to do with accuracy, not sure where you got that. My post disagrees with your claim barrel length impacts accuracy, barrel length doesn't impact firearm accuracy. It does however make it easier for the shooter, and as I get older and my eyes age with me, i can tell the difference.
Also you can search many firearms parts online for the 1911, and you find many require fitting. Once quick search pulled this: 1) Most parts are not drop in. Check Midwayusa.com under the 1911 parts and read the reviews for each part you want, others post about if there was or was not fitting required.
2) The grips should be universal, bushings are different on different makes of guns so keep that in mind.
3) Guide rods, mainspring housings, slidestop, mag release, springs, barrel bushing are drop in for the most part. Barrels, anything to do with the hammer-sear-disconnect are not drop in as they have to be fitted to each other. For example you can just drop a new hammer in but it will affect the trigger pull and may even not work. Safeties-thumb and grip are not drop in and reqiure fitting by you with time in mind.
4) Single stack mags Government/ Comander from Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, Springfield, exc... 7 or 8 rounders will work, some guns prefer some mags. I have a Springfield Loaded Government and to loves Springfield 7 rounds but does not work with Wilson Combat 8 round ETM.
Just because its a 45 1911 does not mean the parts are interchangeable. I would think if its a GI 1911 you would be right. There are different Series, barrel lengths, and grip lengths.
You are a braver man than I if you would walk towards a luger just because you had a 1911. Never had an instructor tell me that before.. usually its shoot, move, cover.
Sounds like it would be good to get us all out to the range someday and compare toys!
Thats whats nice about our country.. atleast it still its.. I think..
We can all have different opinions, and there are a Ton of choices for us.. thats why are Safes are always filling up! I totally agree. Next time you come down let's save some time to shoot. I'll even load up the Luger. It's in excellent condition. | |
| | | ohiofishman
Number of posts : 314 Age : 57 Location : ohio Registration date : 2009-03-31
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 18th 2011, 12:51 pm | |
| y I sure like my Taurus P T 92 | |
| | | Gunpilot
Number of posts : 263 Location : Michigan Registration date : 2010-04-26
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 18th 2011, 12:54 pm | |
| Sounds like a Deal!
I will even bring down a 9mm 1911 so I can shoot 1911's with you and Bush!
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| | | Growler
Number of posts : 39 Location : Buckhannon, WV Registration date : 2009-10-29
| Subject: Re: best handgun of all time January 19th 2011, 10:26 am | |
| We have a saying here at work... "The best handgun is the one you can hit your target with." Although I carry a Sig 220, I'm a huge 1911 fan. If it wasn't for this pesky off-roading habit, I'd have me a nice custom 1911 by now. | |
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